I agree with lefty. Although the case design of the .223 WSSM is radically different from traditional cartridges, performance is much the same as other ultra velocity .224’s such as the .220 Swift, .22-250 and .22-243. that it would be extremely hard on barrels and high wear would lead to short barrel life. Joined Sep 16, 2003 Messages 347. Varmint /CoyoteRifle Before locking in on the Rem. which is beter in acuracy the bullet and the rifle, iver been thinking of geting a winchester model 70 super shadow .223 wssm at wally world for 400 bucks but i didnt know if the rem was beter or not in terms of acuracy, Winchester currently produces 3 different rounds for the .223 WSSM. the more powder you burn, the faster the thraot will erode. While the .223 Remington has an average drop 52 inches at 500 yards for a rifle zeroed at 200. During the design phase of the .223 WSSM, it was found that the original 1:12 twist rate would not stabilize the 64 grain PowerPoint bullet. I interested in some info for reloading 223 wssm I've got a browning stainless lam. I haven't seen a single one of the WSM or WSSM's in the record books at Camp Perry or any where else, maybe Tubbs hasn't heard about them yet? now when a barrel is shot out depends on the users requirements. It is currently the fastest commercially produced 22 caliber round in the world, with velocities as high as 4,400 fps achievable with the right powder and bullet choices. I would dump it for whatever you can get and buy a .223 or .22-250 if you like the velocity. [6], The Winchester made Model 70 in .223 WSSM has not been revived in the new Browning-made Winchester Model 70s, but Browning has chosen to use chrome-lined barrels on all of its guns chambered for .223 WSSM and has introduced the .223 WSSM cartridge as a chambering in its A-bolt rifles. The Accu-trigger has to be experienced to be believed, it's that good.The .223 Rem. This comes out to a 600 ft⋅lbf (810 J) gain over a standard .223 Rem, and a 350 ft⋅lbf (470 J) gain over the .22-250. you get 10,000 rnds out of a mini 14, because they are extremely innacurate to start with, so how do you tell when the barrel is shot. A .223 WSSM with the same bullet and 41 grains of Varget clocks at just over 3700 FPS. Another criticism is that, although the round is suited for long range varmint hunting, it is not good for medium game any farther than 200 yards. 6mmBR (left) and .223 WSSM (right) cartridges above the remains of Browning A-Bolt rifle. I can drive a nail just as deep with my old 20 oz.Estwing framing hammer as anyone can with one of the new $40+ "super hammers". I would never shoot over 100 yards @ a deer with it, but I dropped a 4pt whitetail @ 80 yds w/ one shot. It is currently claimed to be the fastest production .22 caliber round in the world with muzzle velocities as high as 4,600 feet per second (1,402 meters per second), but this is not completely true. While the media loves to portray this as a ‘huge assault bullet’ and only meant for use in warfare, the truth is that a .223 round is a relatively small and not particularly powerful. - Worf. peak accuracy from a .223 is gone in about 3000rnds, but many still get useable accuracy well after that. I'm open to offers. It sounds like this guy wants a hunting rifle, which he probably wont run boxes of shells through every week. If your going to hunt with a .223, your most likely going to be hunting varmints. 223 WSSM Ammo; Sort By: We have one of the largest stocking inventory selection of the best rimfire, handgun, and rifle ammunition. Caliber: Bullet Weight: Overall Cartridge Length: Muzzle Velocity: Trajectory at 300 yds(100yds zero) Muzzle Energy(Ft. 700 VS Rifle you owe it to yourself to lookat/shoot if possible the Savage 12 Varminter. It also offers a 440 ft/s (130 m/s) gain over the .22-250, a popular varmint round. And as far as accuracy goes, most rifles are more accurate than the people behind them, so dont worry about all this brand accuracy. I haven't looked at a WSSM action in a long time though. R. reed mosser Well-Known Member. Powders include Hodgdon Varmint hunters can burn up hundreds of rounds in an afternoon working a hot dog town, as opposed to big game hunters that may fire one or two rounds on a weeks trip. not saying he's wrong, but am also not saying he is right. This comes out to a 600 ft⋅lbf (810 J) gain over a standard .223 Rem, and a … If you get 223 WSSM, you're limited to Winchester and Browning. Will drive tacks, asking $525.00 or trade. That being said, I would go with a regular .223, unless you are shooting over 400 yards. 223 wssm vs 223. by | Dec 18, 2020 | Uncategorized | 0 comments | Dec 18, 2020 | Uncategorized | 0 comments However, the .22-250 and .220 Swift each have significantly more case capacity than the .204 and .223. should not be a problem with factory 223 WSSM cases. Browning rejects the charge that the .223 WSSM round is especially hard on barrels: "The 223 and 243 WSSM cartridges are said to 'burn up' barrels in as little as 300 rounds. Under that theory, a 22-250 would last what, 1200 shots? Initially the .223 WSSM was well received and rifle sales remained steady. The friendliest gun forum on the Internet! I don’t think that a Model 70 Winchester in .223 WSSM is much of a bargain at any price. i think you'll find barrel life of a .223wssm somewhere between the 22-250 and the 220 swift. I heard of recipes with reloaded 17 powder want to try v- … I think you would be able to get more than 750 shots out of a wssm. The 25 WSSMs did not. The 223 and 243 WSSMs all had hard-chromed chambers & barrels. new barrels cost far less than a 1000rnds of good quality ammunition. If 3\8" of bolt travel and 200 fps means that much to you, then by all means, go buy that new rifle. with a 55 gr (3.6 g) bullet over the standard .223 Rem. Some of the Winchester rifles got out of the factory without the chrome. The .223 WSSM By Chuck Hawks The .223 WSSM factory load that Olin/Winchester recommends for hunting antelope, deer, and black bear drives a 64 grain Power Point bullet (SD .182) at an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 3600 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 1841 ft. lbs. According to Browning, the .223 WSSM offers a 600 ft/s (180 m/s) gain with a 55 gr (3.6 g) bullet over the standard .223 Rem. would be a good choice.I've fired the .223WSSM in standard weight Browning A bolts & Win. If you get 223 Rem, the options are as broad as can be. The .223 designation is a reference to the popular .223 Remington. 223 WSSM Powder Minimum Maximum Charge (grains) Velocity (fps) Charge (grains) Velocity (fps) H4895 37.0 3846 42.0 4202 Varget 38.5 3819 43.5 4193 Another interesting comparison is 5.56 NATO -vs- .223 Remington -vs- 22 Nosler. 223 WSSM 223 WSSM Maximum Loads Should Be Used With Caution - Always Start With Minimum Loads. i think some people worry too much over issues like throat erosion. Capable of using the same bullets that the .22-250 and .220 Swift were pushing, the .223 gave a respectable and useable trajectory, with less recoil, in a smaller package. Cartridge Type: Rifle Height: 1.67" Width: 0.544" Average FPS: 3766 Average Energy: 1826 Average Gr: 58 Recoil: 0.95 Power Rank: 2.18 of 20 The .223 The 223 wssm is a complete waste of time in anything other than an 8" twist and even then it is VERY hard on barrels. boddington also believes bullets melt in flight. The .223 WSSM was introduced in 2003 by the Browning Arms Company, Winchester Ammunition, and Winchester Repeating Arms Company. There are a couple of WSM`s that are extremely popular, the 270 WSM springs to mind. A .223 WSSM is going to cook off a barrel in a very short time in that type of senario. [2][3][4][5], Even before the cartridge was commercially introduced, it was claimed[according to whom?] B. bighonkinjeep Senior Member. i had a mini 14 that had over 10,000 rounds through it. Nothing could be further from the truth. Lbs.) Also the WSSM is pushing close to 4000 fps in muzzle velocity compared to 3200 of .223 Remington The 223 WSSM ammo is drastically more expensive and will wear out the barrels drastically faster due to a wide columns of pressure forced through a tiny hole in a process called throttling and causing wear called throat erosion. Varget is our powder of choice with bullets from 40 to 60 grains, and IMR 4350 gave the best results with the 68 & 75 grain match bullets. With turned brass in the 243 wssm its just like a 6 br on steriods. .223 WSSM / .223 Winchester Super Short Magnum (Hodgdon Data) reloading data with 150 loads. Bill T. .223 Rem, more common, and will flat get the job done when it comes to varmints. The explosion actually cut the stock into two pieces. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .223 Remington vs .243 Winchester ammo rounds. The bullet diameter is actually .224” Rounds range from a 55-grain bullet … GIVEN away. Most often in the real world the rifle is more important than the cartridge and in the case of the 223 WSSM's that is their death knell. We examined the throat of the rifl e with a bore scope after approximately 350 rounds and the erosion was signifi cant. Ballistics Comparison for 270 Come join the discussion about optics, trails, clubs, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more. The .257 is the best of a bad lot, and equals the ballistics of the .25-06. So then you come down to .243 WSSM. I don't hate the .308 because it is similar to the 30-06 in numbers, yet shorter in length. Select Page. I never saw tikka mentioned on the "accuracy" list, and as far as I know, they carry the best accuracy guarantee. This cartridge is hard on barrels. Finally, they all have different SAAMI maximum average pressure levels: 55,000psi for the .223 Remington, 57,500psi for the .204 Ruger, 62,000psi for the … Barrel life is likely to be about 1,000 rounds (if you are lucky) and the rifle can only be rebarreled for one of the WSSM cartridges - .223, .243 or .257. The .220 Swift still holds the record as the fastest .22 caliber centerfire cartridge with a published velocity of 4665 fps using a 29 grain projectile and 42 grains of 3031 powder. - Browning Article", Reloading info from Guns and Ammo Magazine, Super Short Magnums - The Rest of the Story, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.223_Winchester_Super_Short_Magnum&oldid=1003076616, Winchester Super Short Magnum rifle cartridges, All articles with specifically marked weasel-worded phrases, Articles with specifically marked weasel-worded phrases from December 2019, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 27 January 2021, at 08:38. A .22-250 pushing a 50 grain bullet with 35 grains of Varget clocks at just over 3600 FPS. No brainer. So we all agree if you push those .223 WSSM rounds you will burn through barrel after barrel. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or j JavaScript is disabled. My choice in guns is limited to two, Rem 700 Varmint or the Win mod 70 Stealth (Super accurate) May 9, 2009 #3. Not to mention it's going to do it without much, if any improvement over a guy exploding dogs with a standard .223 next to him. now if you consider that serious benchrest competitors throw barrels away after 1500rnds +/-. BTW, I haven't seen a single one of the WSM or WSSM's in the record books at Camp Perry or any where else, maybe Tubbs hasn't heard about them yet? No matter the subject, knowing how to use the tool at hand is the biggest equalizer. *Most Accurate Load C Compressed Load 1. Browning A-bolt .223 WSSM for sale/trade As new browning .223 Winchester Super Short Mag, Shot maybe 12 times, black stock with matte barrel and bases. However, the bolt held and amazing as it may seem, the .243 bullet was “swaged” right out of the .223 barrel. Apr 17, 2007 #9 They will both work very well. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 3290 W. Big Beaver Rd. Long actions with a bolt face .DIA of .470 +/-220 Swift 6mm Remington 240 Weatherby Mag 257 Roberts 25-06 Remington 6.5x55 Swedish 270 Winchester 7x57 Mauser 7x64 Brenneke 280 Remington 30/06 Springfield 8mm Mauser 338/06 A Square 35 Whelen To me, that’s not all that impressive for 15% more powder. a sample of 1 barrel is not good evidence. There is nothing worng with the 223 WSSM but the 22-250 is easy to come by, everybody makes ammo for it, and it is a truly accurate round. The .223 WSSM (Winchester Super Short Magnum, 5.56×42mm) is a .224 caliber rifle cartridge created by Winchester and Browning based on a shortened version of the Winchester Short Magnum case. 223 WSSM 243 WSSM 25 WSSM 7mm Remington saum 7mm WSM 300 Remington saum, 300 WSM 325 WSM 350 Remington Mag. shoot 'em , wear the barrels out, and replace them- its all part of the game. The 223 WSSM was introduced by Winchester as a shortened and necked-down version of the very successful 300 WSM. Comparing to the .223 Remington at similar bullet weights and types the WSSM has an average drop 33 inches at 500 yards for a rifle zeroed at 200. The 223 WSSM is a hyper-warp-drive cartridge!! the WSM's are being used in 1000yd bench rest. The .223 was also chambered in many bolt-action hunting rifles, showing fine accuracy. A lot of dedicated varmint shooters reload on progressive machines because they go thru so much ammo. "[7], According to Browning, the .223 WSSM offers a 600 ft/s (180 m/s) gain Nothing against them, but the names in accuracy are the Savage, Remington, and Weatherby, usually in that order. I see more negatives than positives but then I'm an old-school kind of guy. I love my short mag, and don't think they were created to replace anything. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The entire bottom of the rifle blew out, including the magazine assembly. A lot of people didn't like the marketing that winchester did, which kind of gave them a bad name from the start. They foul like crazy, are none too accurate, and have a bastard twist of 1 in 10 so you can't shoot the real heavies like 75 gr. [8], "223 Winchester Super Short Magnum History and General Information:", "World record 4700 fps 223 WSSM explodes watermelon better than", ".223 Winchester Super Short Magnum (WSSM)", ".223 Winchester Super Short Magnum Ballistics", "223 WSSM vs the 22-250 Rem. Using bullets from Nosler LF, Barnes VG FB, Nosler BT, Barnes X, Barnes XLC, Speer HPBT, Hornady V-Max, Nosler Part, Sierra HPBT. Remember though, a 300 yd 'yote will be just as dead when shot with a .223 as he will when shot with a .223 WSSM, the main differences will be cost of ammo, bullet drop, barrel wear and magazine capacity. A forum community dedicated to hunters and enthusiasts. will they set a record? outside of prarie dog shooters, most hunters never put a 1000rnds through a rifle in a lifetime. dont take everything gun writers write as law. Thanks, Jeremy 09-27-2006 #2. pastorbass. outside of prarie dog shooters, most hunters never put a 1000rnds through a rifle in a lifetime- for most the fact that its a hot cartridge will never matter. The .223 WSSM was introduced in 2003 by the Browning Arms Company, Winchester Ammunition, and Winchester Repeating Arms Company. myself, i like the WSM's, but not the WSSM's. Personally, I don't see the point of the WSSM's other than $$$. as a general rule of thumb, the higher the pressure of the cartridge, the faster it will erode the barrels throat, and if you rapid fire it will exaggerate the effects. Not as efficient either. That will make more of a difference than which round you pick. WSSM barrels last 750 to 1000 rounds at the most. who knows- these records dont get broken everyday. ETA: Maybe with a magazine box you could turn it into a WSM or SAUM if that interests you. To remedy this problem, Winchester adopted a 1:10 twist rate, ideal for a variety of heavy .224 caliber projectiles. Each of the corresponding cases has different case capacities, and these differences are most clear when we peer “inside the cartridges”: In this picture we see from left to right: 5.56 NATO (note thicker brass, especially at the base).223 Remington; 22 Nosler 223 Remington Load Data; 5.56×45 NATO Load Data; 222 Remington Magnum Load Data; 22 PPC-USA Load Data; 225 Winchester Load Data; 22 BR Remington Load Data; 22-250 Remington Load Data; 22-250 Remington Ackley Improved Load Data; 220 Swift Load Data; 223 Win Super Short Magnum (WSSM) Load Data; 6mm PPC-USA Load Data; 6mm Creedmoor Load Data http://monolithicmunitions.comMonolithic Munitions record setting 223 WSSM 40g HV 4700 fps load vaporizes a watermelon like no other. one of my WSM's is a varmint rifle, and if i shoot the barrel out in 1500rnds, who cares . Med hvy barrel it shoots win 55s tight but finding rnds. Every item listed in stock on our website is on hand at our warehouse. You can't got that fast without paying the price. .22-250 vs .223wssm Shot my deer with my Rem 700 22-250 this year. i dont think were talking shooting surplus guns or ammo here, thats pretty much a different discussion. It also offers a 440 ft/s (130 m/s) gain over the .22-250, a popular varmint round. Suite 500, Troy, Michigan 48084 USA. Brownings barrels were chromed, Winchesters werent. The 223 WSSM is a great cartridge reaching advertised ballistics very easily. Getting tough have friend that reloads gun has a 1-10 twist.